13:05:28 From Michael Gray : A2 13:05:30 From Sam Spencer : B4 13:06:01 From Sam Spencer : D5 13:06:01 From Michael Gray : E3 13:06:23 From Sam Spencer : C1 13:07:31 From Michael Gray : NHS? 13:08:31 From Sam Spencer : I once read an article from New Zealand, with a quote from an ambulance driver that went something like "If we arrive in under 8 minutes and the person dies it's seen as a success, if we arrive in over 8 minutes and they live it's a failure". I'll try and dig it out. 13:20:44 From Jeremy @EasierInc. : Some very deep and helpful work from Chris Argyris around how and why ‘undiscussables’ become hardwired in organisations